Bybelskool

Chris van Wyk

Ek is gemeenteleraar by Somerstrand gemeente, Port Elizabeth. My passie in die lewe is om God bo alles te dien en gelowiges in geloofsvorming te begelei. I am pastor at Summerstrand congregation, Port Elizabeth. My passion in life is to serve God above all and to lead believers in faith formation.

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    Bruce

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    HI Chris,
    Ek soek net n bietjie duidelikheid oor Jesaja 14 en spesifiek verse 13 to 15, wie “klim op tot bokant die wolke en word soos die Allerhoogste self”? Tweedens, is ek reg as ek se dit is satan wat af stort tot in die doderyk (vers15).
    Ek vra die, want ek het hierdie verse, spesifiek vers 14 erens gelees en ek probeer dit net in konteks plaas.
    Groete
    Bruce

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      Chris van Wyk

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      Hi Bruce

      Jesaja profeteer in hoofstuk 14 die toekomstige verval van die koning van Babel. Hy gebruik beskrywings wat herinner aan die val van Satan uit die hemel. Ek haal uit Michael Heiser se uitstekende boek Unseen Realm aan:

      In Isaiah 14:4, God tells the prophet to take up a “taunt” (Hebrew: mashal ) against the king of Babylon. A mashal is better described as a comparative parable. The question to keep in mind as we proceed is, to whom is the king of Babylon being compared? 1 The beginning of the parable sounds as unfavorable to the king of Babylon as Ezekiel’s description of the prince of Tyre is to that ruler. The king of Babylon is called an “oppressor” ( ESV ; v. 4) who ruthlessly persecuted the nations (vv. 5–6). The world will finally be at rest when the oppressor is “laid low” ( ESV ; vv. 7–8). In anticipation of the joy of finally being rid of the king of Babylon, the prophet writes: 9  Sheol below is getting excited over you, to meet you when you come; it arouses the dead spirits [ rephaim ] for you, all of the leaders of the earth [ ʾerets ]. It raises all of the kings of the nations from their thrones. 10  All of them will respond and say to you, “You yourself also were made weak like us! You have become the same as us!” 11  Your pride is brought down to Sheol, and the sound of your harps; maggots are spread out beneath you like a bed, and your covering is worms (Isa 14:9–11). As in Ezekiel 28 , the figure in Isaiah 14 who is the target of its diatribe goes to Sheol, the underworld. The Rephaim are there, here identified again as the dead warrior-kings (“you have become the same as us”). The king of Babylon will be one of these living dead, just like the prince of Tyre. Recall that Ezekiel 28 shifted from the prince of Tyre to a divine figure in Eden. That shift informed us that the writer was using a story of cosmic, divine rebellion to, by comparison, portray the arrogance of the earthly prince. After verse 11, Isaiah 14 shifts to a divine context with clear links to Ezekiel 28 . Those connections in turn take us conceptually back to Genesis 3 . Isaiah 14:12–15 reads: 12  How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of dawn! You are cut down to the ground, conqueror of nations! 13  And you yourself said in your heart, “I will ascend to heaven; I will raise up my throne above the stars of God; and I will sit on the mountain of assembly on the summit of Zaphon; 14  I will ascend to the high places of the clouds, I will make myself like the Most High.” 15  But you are brought down to Sheol, to the depths of the pit (Isa 14:12–15). The divine council context is transparent. You’ve already seen much of the terminology in chapter 6 about divine gardens and mountains. The figure to whom the king of Babylon is being compared is a divine being fallen “from heaven” (v. 12). He is called the “morning star, son of dawn.” The language takes us back to Job 38:7, where the sons of God were called “morning stars.” But the Hebrew terms in Isaiah 14:12 are different than those in Job 38:7. “Morning star, son of dawn” is an English rendering of the Hebrew helel ben-shachar , which literally means “shining one, son of the dawn.” When we talked about Job 38:7 in chapter 3 , I noted that “morning stars” were the visible bright stars seen on the horizon as the sun rose. Astronomers (ancient and modern) knew another celestial object that behaved the same way—an object so bright it could still be seen as the sun rose. That object was Venus, and so Venus, though a planet, became known to the ancients as the “bright morning star.” In essence, borrowing the language of Ezekiel 28 , Isaiah portrays this particular divine being as hopelessly enamored of his own brilliance. So great was his arrogance that he declared himself above all the “stars of God” ( kokebey el ), the other members of the divine council (Job 38:7). That this “shining one” sought superiority over the other members of the divine council is indicated by the phrase “raise … my throne” and his desire to “sit” on “the mountain of assembly.” That this “mountain of assembly” speaks of the divine council is clear from its location in “Zaphon” (“the north”; tsaphon ) and the clouds. The “seat” language is familiar from Ezekiel 28:2 (the “seat of the gods”). Isaiah 14 reads like an attempted coup in the divine council. Helel ben-shachar wanted his seat in the divine assembly on the divine mountain to be above all others. He wanted to be “like the Most High” ( elyon ). But there can be only one of those. It’s no surprise that helel ben-shachar , the shining one, meets the same end as the divine throne guardian in Ezekiel 28 . In three places we see his fate. You’ve seen two of the verses already. Take note of the emphasis in bold: 9  Sheol below is getting excited over you, to meet you when you come; it arouses the dead spirits for you, all of the leaders of the earth. It raises all of the kings of the nations from their thrones.… 12  “How you have fallen from heaven, morningstar, son of dawn! You are cut down to the ground [ ʾerets ].… 15  But you are brought down to Sheol , The punishment of helel is to live in the realm of the dead. Helel ends up in Sheol, the pit ( bor ); brought down to earth ( ʾerets ) by God, the truly Most High.

      Jy kan meer lees op die Internet waar Michael ekstra stof daaroor gee: https://www.moreunseenrealm.com/ch11/

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    Delene

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    Baie dankie vir aanvaarding Chris. Ek vind al die studies interesant, maar my konsentrasie word weggelei ek het al alles probeer, maar is baie moedeloos.

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    Chris van Wyk

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    Hi Petrus, onthou Hebreërs 11 is ‘n terugblik op daardie geskiedenis. As ‘n mens na Moses se hele verhaal kyk dan het hy met die roeping om die volk uit die land Egipte na Kanaän te lei hom afgesny van die farao se huis (met al die voorregte wat dit vir hom ingehou het) en hom geskaar by die slawevolk om hulle te verlos in gehoorsaamheid aan God se opdrag. Die eerste 40 jaar van sy lewe het hy in die farao se huis gelewe. Die volgende 40 jaar in die woestyn in voorbereiding vir sy opdrag. Die laaste 40 jaar het hy sy volk Israel uit Egipte, deur die woestyn, tot by Kanaän gelei. Hy was dus nie bang vir die koning nie, want hy het onbevreesd die plae aangekondig, en aan die einde daarvan doodgewoon die volk uitgelei en met die Here as Beskermer die pad gevat deur die woestyn.

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    Pieter

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    Naand Ds Chris
    Dankie dat jy ons ingelig oor die nuwe Discrimanation bill wat die regering wil deurvoer om ons geloof nog verder te wurg. Ek glo elke Christen moet moeite doen om die Bill te lees op julle web blad skakel en die template vorm in te vul en in te stuur voor sluitings tyd.
    Groete
    Pieter

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    Petrus

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    Beste Chris

    Dankie weereens vir die genot wat jy met die skrywes tot my Bybelstudie tyd bring.

    Ek is pas klaar met Deuternomium en het ‘n vraag omtrent die aanhaling uit Hebr 11 wat my al jare “deurmekaar” maak. Dit se dat Moses geweier het om die seun van Faro se dogter genoem te word? Hy het verkies om sleg behandel te word saam met die volk?(Het hy dan nie in die paleis gewoon nie?)
    Dan, hy het Egipte verlaat sonder dat hy bank was vir koning?
    Dalk lees ek dit mis in die verhale rondom sy lewe in Egipte voor hy “gevlug” het, maar ek sien nie die boodskappe nie.
    Mooi dag vir jou.

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    Marietjie van Niekerk

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    Baie dankie Ds Chris vir hierdie besonderse reeks van gebed. Dit was vir my baie insiggewend en van blywende waarde. Ook verdieping in gees en Woord kennis.

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    Chris van Wyk

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    Hi, ja, daar is. Ek sal dit binnekort hier plaas.

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    Pierre van Wyk

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    Baie dankie, Is daar dalk ‘n uitdeelstuk beskikbaar vir die uur van gebed.?